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MensagemAssunto: MCCAIN e HILLARY   Sex Fev 08, 2008 9:42 am

sEJA QUAL FOR O QUE GANHE A presidencia, JA DECLARARAM QUE israel E O MAIS IMPOSTANTE ALIADO DOS usa E QUE OS USA, SEMPRE serao protetores de ISRAEL!!!!
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MensagemAssunto: HILLARY DIZ QUE IRAO E UMA AMEACA   Sex Fev 08, 2008 10:22 am

Aos USA e a ISRAEL:

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/02/02/america/NA-GEN-US-Clinton-Iran.php
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MensagemAssunto: HILLARY tem raizes JUDIAS   Sex Fev 08, 2008 10:44 am

Da parte da avo!!!

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/1999/08/06/politics/main57322.shtml

hillary DECLARA QUE jerusalem E A CAPUTAL eterna e INDIVISIVEL de ISRAEL!!! E que a EMBAIXADA dos USA, deve mudar-se para JERUSALEM!! Isto claro, os "apoiantes" de HILLARY PRO-PALESTINOS, NAO SABEM!!! Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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MensagemAssunto: a grande aposta americana   Sex Fev 08, 2008 12:21 pm

"Como era inevitável, perdi a aposta com o dr. Mário Soares. Embora continue a fingir que não, Mitt Romney afocinhou. Não se conseguiu livrar do peso de ser mórmon (...)"
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MensagemAssunto: Re: EUA - Eleição Presidencial em 2008   Sex Fev 08, 2008 12:28 pm

romney/maccain , AINDA VAO SENTIR MUITA SAUDADE DO BUSH!!! Em especial o TERROR!!!
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MensagemAssunto: OBAMA   Sex Fev 08, 2008 12:46 pm

de 100 senadores E O NUMERO 9 DOS MAIS esquerdistas!!!

http://nationaljournal.com/voteratings/sen/lib.htm

SAFA-TE.....................
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MensagemAssunto: Re: EUA - Eleição Presidencial em 2008   Sex Fev 08, 2008 12:49 pm

RONALDO ALMEIDA escreveu:
de 100 senadores E O NUMERO 9 DOS MAIS esquerdistas!!!

http://nationaljournal.com/voteratings/sen/lib.htm

SAFA-TE.....................

neste momento eu votava Obama e nao Hillary
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MensagemAssunto: Re: EUA - Eleição Presidencial em 2008   Sex Fev 08, 2008 12:52 pm

CRUZ,CREDO nao desejo o MAL DA AMERICA!!!
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MensagemAssunto: Re: EUA - Eleição Presidencial em 2008   Sex Fev 08, 2008 12:53 pm

MAS entre os dois ,prefiro a HILLARY!!! um mal menor!!!
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MensagemAssunto: HILLARY-OBAMA/ JOHN MACCAIN   Sex Fev 08, 2008 1:38 pm

Ha uma grande DIFERENCA entre eles!! JOHN MACCAIN E HEROI NACIONAL!!
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MensagemAssunto: Estados Unidos retomam corrida presidencial   Sab Fev 09, 2008 11:33 am

Estados Unidos retomam corrida presidencial


Hillary Clinton
Hillary Clinton e Barack Obama continuam disputa acirrada
Quatro Estados americanos escolhem seus pré-candidatos à Casa Branca neste sábado, nas primeiras votações desde a Superterça.

Votam os Estados de Louisiana, Washington, Nebraska e Kansas. Também haverá votação nas Ilhas Virgens.

A disputa continua acirrada entre os democratas Hillary Clinton e Barack Obama. Analistas dizem que nenhuma das prévias realizadas neste sábado será decisiva, mas podem indicar os efeitos da Superterça.

No momento, Hillary tem 1.055 delegados e Obama tem 998 dos 2.025 necessários para garantir uma vitória na convenção do partido em agosto.

Os democratas realizam primárias em Louisiana e Kansas e cáucus em Washington e Nebraska. Também realizam primária nas Ilhas Virgens.

Hillary Clinton e Barack Obama fizeram campanha na quinta e sexta-feira no Estado de Washington - a disputa mais importante do dia com 78 delegados.

O Partido Republicano realiza prévias nos Estados de Washington, Louisiana e Kansas neste sábado.

John McCain tem 719 delegados e mantém a posição de liderança à frente dos rivais Mike Huckabee, com 198, e Ron Paul, com 14.

O correspondente da BBC em Washington James Coomarasamy diz que McCain tem praticamente assegurada a indicação do partido para ser o candidato à Casa Branca, principalmente depois que Mitt Romney anunciou sua saída da disputa na quinta-feira.
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MensagemAssunto: Re: EUA - Eleição Presidencial em 2008   Sab Fev 09, 2008 1:23 pm

MACCAIN, nao tem ninguem a concorrer com ele, porque MATEMATICAMENTE, HUCKABEE nao tem HIPOTESE. Nao ataca MCCAIN. O que ele procura e a PRESIDENCIA. A missao dele foi colaborar com MACCAIN para ELIMINAREM MITT ROMNEY!!! A missao, agora e ser VICE
DE MACCAIN!!!
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MensagemAssunto: Re: EUA - Eleição Presidencial em 2008   Sab Fev 09, 2008 1:45 pm

Que rica coisa podem vir a ter como presidente...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7xgtAWfSWM


Reparem no que a freira tem...

Mamas???
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MensagemAssunto: Re: EUA - Eleição Presidencial em 2008   Sab Fev 09, 2008 1:53 pm

Socialista Trotskista escreveu:
Que rica coisa podem vir a ter como presidente...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7xgtAWfSWM


Reparem no que a freira tem...

Mamas???

mais uma vez; huckabee NAO TEM qualquer hipotese matematica DE SER presidente DOS USA. Se for preciso repetir................
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MensagemAssunto: obama+hillary= SOCIALISMO   Dom Fev 10, 2008 10:45 am

Pouca diferenca , ha entre os dois!!!

MEDECINA SOCIALIZADA, 180 000 000 000 de dollar,s mais de IMPOSTOS!!! Espera de 6 meses para ver o MEDICO que ELES QUEREM e uma cirurgia que pode ter 2 aqnos de ESPERA!!! E ainda pagamos com IMPOSTOS!! maravilha!!

1 500 000 000 000 DE impostos A COBRAR AO povo americano, o que a dividir por 300 000 000 , sao mais 5 000 dollar,s/capita!!!maravilha!!

Aumento da gasolina em mais 50 centimos de dollar/galao!!! qUE maravilha!!!

dis[penso ESTES 'progressos" e nao acredito que o POVO REAL AMERICANO, JAMAIS aceite isto!!! Estao em DESINTONIA com a realidade!!!

E ninguem votara neles, porque sao PRETO ou MULHER!! Isso nao e suficiente!!
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MensagemAssunto: Re: EUA - Eleição Presidencial em 2008   Dom Fev 10, 2008 10:50 am

Media and Candidate Methods of Counting Delegates Vary and So Do Totals

February 9, 2008

Turn on MSNBC and you will learn that Senator Barack Obama has more delegates (861) than Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton (855) in the Democratic presidential contest.

Visit Politico.com and you are told Mrs. Clinton is ahead, with 1,000 delegates to Mr. Obama’s 902. The New York Times, meanwhile, reports that Mrs. Clinton has 912 and Mr. Obama 741. And the campaigns offer up still more versions of the tally.

The greatly divergent delegate totals say as much about the byzantine nature of the Democratic nominating process as they do about the different counting methods of various news organizations. Add to that delays in reporting results from the bundle of states that voted on Tuesday and the loss of delegates for some states that moved their primaries up in defiance of party rules, and voters are left with a frustratingly unfocused picture of who is ahead in the Democratic field.

While such uncertainty over delegate counts has been a feature of previous campaigns, the stakes are much higher this time, as Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama are locked in a fierce battle that places a premium on the perception of momentum. In this supercharged atmosphere, the disputed delegate count is more than a statistical exercise — it can influence a candidate’s ability to raise money, sway party leaders and get out the vote.

“The system is too complicated, and this is what happens as a result,” said Hank Sheinkopf, a Democratic consultant in New York. “They are going to fight over every last delegate, because the delegates now have become a way for the candidates to claim momentum and everything that comes with that.”

The difficulty in assessing delegate strength lies in a multistep caucus system that is different from a primary, which is a one-day event where voters go to the polls and the results are usually binding. A caucus, on the other hand, is just the first stage of a process that can drag on until late spring before producing reliable numbers. As a result, some news organizations do not incorporate caucus results in projecting delegate counts, waiting instead until delegates from those states are officially certified.

As of Friday, seven states — Alaska, Colorado, Idaho, Iowa, Minnesota, Nevada and North Dakota — had held precinct-level Democratic caucuses to choose delegates who will go to district-level or statewide party conventions in the coming months. It is at those conventions where delegates will officially be pledged to a candidate at the national convention in Denver, where 2,025 delegates are needed to win the nomination.

Until then, there is nothing to prevent the outcome of the caucuses from changing, and that is why The New York Times has not counted the 169 delegates from six of those states in its tallies (The Times is counting Minnesota, whose caucus results are binding). By contrast, news organizations that are reporting higher delegate totals — The Associated Press has Mrs. Clinton with 1,045 delegates and Mr. Obama with 960 — are projecting that the caucus results will ultimately hold up.

How best to account for the results of the caucuses has long been a subject of intense debate. Rhodes Cook, a nonpartisan political analyst who once covered elections for Congressional Quarterly, said he “was driven nuts by the delegate count” when trying to analyze the caucuses, and generally steered clear of predicting the outcome of subsequent intra-state conventions.

“I tended to do a conservative count and not project delegates from caucus states until the process had run its course,” Mr. Cook said. “At each stage of the process — the county conventions, the state conventions — you can get an altered count.”

Adding to the confusion this year is that the Democratic National Committee stripped the delegates from two populous states, Florida and Michigan, as punishment for those states moving their primaries up to a date earlier than party rules allowed. While voters went to the polls in those states, and Mrs. Clinton claimed victory in both, she earned no delegates as a result.

Problems in delegate tallying were also exacerbated this week because of delays in the official reporting of results in a handful of states on Tuesday, some caused by the severe storms in the South.

The fluidity of the delegate count is intensified by the presence of so-called superdelegates, party leaders and elected officials who can support whomever they choose independent of the caucuses and conventions. Of the 796 superdelegates nationwide, just 303 had publicly pledged support for a candidate as of Friday, according to a survey of the delegates by The New York Times and CBS News; other news organizations have their own methods of accounting for superdelegates, which may yield different results.

The vagaries of the process are on display in Iowa, where Mr. Obama was widely reported to have won the most support of caucusgoers in January. Fifty-seven delegates are at stake in Iowa, including 12 superdelegates. In just the last few days, one superdelegate moved from being uncommitted to backing Mr. Obama, and another switched to Mrs. Clinton after having supported John Edwards, who has since dropped out.

As for the remaining Iowa delegates, they will not be officially pledged to a candidate until after the party completes its county conventions on March 15, the district conventions on April 26 and the state convention on June 14, said Norm Sterzenbach, political director of the Iowa Democratic Party.

“Essentially, we start all over again at the county, the district and the state levels,” Mr. Sterzenbach said, adding that representatives of the Clinton and Obama campaigns remain in Iowa preparing for the coming conventions.

Mr. Sterzenbach said that in previous elections, a nominee had usually emerged by the time the party held its county conventions, and that most convention delegates simply gravitated to that person regardless of the outcome of the earlier caucuses.

But the tightness of the race this year makes the conventions all the more important.

Because of the heightened attention paid to the delegate count, The Times is working to change how it reports the tally, by explaining that some delegates have not been counted because of partial returns or the uncompleted caucus process.

“We’re trying to find a way to offer readers a quick snapshot of the moving parts,” said Janet Elder, editor of the news surveys department at the paper. “We think it will be helpful to begin to break down for readers the components of our tally.”

The New York Times

Sistema eleitoral muito estranho, o americano !

Quem tiver mais votos, pode não ser eleito .........
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MensagemAssunto: Re: EUA - Eleição Presidencial em 2008   Dom Fev 10, 2008 10:51 am

Gracas a DEUS, XO ESQUERDA, nao pode VOTAR, nos USA!!! So MOI!!! Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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MensagemAssunto: Re: EUA - Eleição Presidencial em 2008   Dom Fev 10, 2008 10:54 am

Xô Esquerda escreveu:
Media and Candidate Methods of Counting Delegates Vary and So Do Totals

February 9, 2008

Turn on MSNBC and you will learn that Senator Barack Obama has more delegates (861) than Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton (855) in the Democratic presidential contest.

Visit Politico.com and you are told Mrs. Clinton is ahead, with 1,000 delegates to Mr. Obama’s 902. The New York Times, meanwhile, reports that Mrs. Clinton has 912 and Mr. Obama 741. And the campaigns offer up still more versions of the tally.

The greatly divergent delegate totals say as much about the byzantine nature of the Democratic nominating process as they do about the different counting methods of various news organizations. Add to that delays in reporting results from the bundle of states that voted on Tuesday and the loss of delegates for some states that moved their primaries up in defiance of party rules, and voters are left with a frustratingly unfocused picture of who is ahead in the Democratic field.

While such uncertainty over delegate counts has been a feature of previous campaigns, the stakes are much higher this time, as Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama are locked in a fierce battle that places a premium on the perception of momentum. In this supercharged atmosphere, the disputed delegate count is more than a statistical exercise — it can influence a candidate’s ability to raise money, sway party leaders and get out the vote.

“The system is too complicated, and this is what happens as a result,” said Hank Sheinkopf, a Democratic consultant in New York. “They are going to fight over every last delegate, because the delegates now have become a way for the candidates to claim momentum and everything that comes with that.”

The difficulty in assessing delegate strength lies in a multistep caucus system that is different from a primary, which is a one-day event where voters go to the polls and the results are usually binding. A caucus, on the other hand, is just the first stage of a process that can drag on until late spring before producing reliable numbers. As a result, some news organizations do not incorporate caucus results in projecting delegate counts, waiting instead until delegates from those states are officially certified.

As of Friday, seven states — Alaska, Colorado, Idaho, Iowa, Minnesota, Nevada and North Dakota — had held precinct-level Democratic caucuses to choose delegates who will go to district-level or statewide party conventions in the coming months. It is at those conventions where delegates will officially be pledged to a candidate at the national convention in Denver, where 2,025 delegates are needed to win the nomination.

Until then, there is nothing to prevent the outcome of the caucuses from changing, and that is why The New York Times has not counted the 169 delegates from six of those states in its tallies (The Times is counting Minnesota, whose caucus results are binding). By contrast, news organizations that are reporting higher delegate totals — The Associated Press has Mrs. Clinton with 1,045 delegates and Mr. Obama with 960 — are projecting that the caucus results will ultimately hold up.

How best to account for the results of the caucuses has long been a subject of intense debate. Rhodes Cook, a nonpartisan political analyst who once covered elections for Congressional Quarterly, said he “was driven nuts by the delegate count” when trying to analyze the caucuses, and generally steered clear of predicting the outcome of subsequent intra-state conventions.

“I tended to do a conservative count and not project delegates from caucus states until the process had run its course,” Mr. Cook said. “At each stage of the process — the county conventions, the state conventions — you can get an altered count.”

Adding to the confusion this year is that the Democratic National Committee stripped the delegates from two populous states, Florida and Michigan, as punishment for those states moving their primaries up to a date earlier than party rules allowed. While voters went to the polls in those states, and Mrs. Clinton claimed victory in both, she earned no delegates as a result.

Problems in delegate tallying were also exacerbated this week because of delays in the official reporting of results in a handful of states on Tuesday, some caused by the severe storms in the South.

The fluidity of the delegate count is intensified by the presence of so-called superdelegates, party leaders and elected officials who can support whomever they choose independent of the caucuses and conventions. Of the 796 superdelegates nationwide, just 303 had publicly pledged support for a candidate as of Friday, according to a survey of the delegates by The New York Times and CBS News; other news organizations have their own methods of accounting for superdelegates, which may yield different results.

The vagaries of the process are on display in Iowa, where Mr. Obama was widely reported to have won the most support of caucusgoers in January. Fifty-seven delegates are at stake in Iowa, including 12 superdelegates. In just the last few days, one superdelegate moved from being uncommitted to backing Mr. Obama, and another switched to Mrs. Clinton after having supported John Edwards, who has since dropped out.

As for the remaining Iowa delegates, they will not be officially pledged to a candidate until after the party completes its county conventions on March 15, the district conventions on April 26 and the state convention on June 14, said Norm Sterzenbach, political director of the Iowa Democratic Party.

“Essentially, we start all over again at the county, the district and the state levels,” Mr. Sterzenbach said, adding that representatives of the Clinton and Obama campaigns remain in Iowa preparing for the coming conventions.

Mr. Sterzenbach said that in previous elections, a nominee had usually emerged by the time the party held its county conventions, and that most convention delegates simply gravitated to that person regardless of the outcome of the earlier caucuses.

But the tightness of the race this year makes the conventions all the more important.

Because of the heightened attention paid to the delegate count, The Times is working to change how it reports the tally, by explaining that some delegates have not been counted because of partial returns or the uncompleted caucus process.

“We’re trying to find a way to offer readers a quick snapshot of the moving parts,” said Janet Elder, editor of the news surveys department at the paper. “We think it will be helpful to begin to break down for readers the components of our tally.”

The New York Times

Sistema eleitoral muito estranho, o americano !

Quem tiver mais votos, pode não ser eleito .........
Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

o sistema americano PODE PARECER ESTRANHO , mas o motivo disso e para que os PEQUENOS ESTADOS, tenham voz no processo!!! Nao como os GRANDES DA U.E. que se puderem CORTAM A VOZ aos pequenos!!!Como PORTUGAL!!!
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MensagemAssunto: Re: EUA - Eleição Presidencial em 2008   Dom Fev 10, 2008 12:08 pm

RONALDO ALMEIDA escreveu:

o sistema americano PODE PARECER ESTRANHO , mas o motivo disso e para que os PEQUENOS ESTADOS, tenham voz no processo!!! Nao como os GRANDES DA U.E. que se puderem CORTAM A VOZ aos pequenos!!!Como PORTUGAL!!!

Um comentário muito interessante da sua parte, Ronaldo.

Porque não o desenvolve mais ? Para nós (que não estamos aí) percebermos melhor a dinâmica do sistema eleitoral nos USA.

Você quando quer sabe participar de uma forma muito positiva, acrescentando novidade ao assunto.
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MensagemAssunto: Re: EUA - Eleição Presidencial em 2008   Dom Fev 10, 2008 12:36 pm

Xô Esquerda escreveu:
RONALDO ALMEIDA escreveu:

o sistema americano PODE PARECER ESTRANHO , mas o motivo disso e para que os PEQUENOS ESTADOS, tenham voz no processo!!! Nao como os GRANDES DA U.E. que se puderem CORTAM A VOZ aos pequenos!!!Como PORTUGAL!!!

Um comentário muito interessante da sua parte, Ronaldo.

Porque não o desenvolve mais ? Para nós (que não estamos aí) percebermos melhor a dinâmica do sistema eleitoral nos USA.

Você quando quer sabe participar de uma forma muito positiva, acrescentando novidade ao assunto.

Hoje eu votaria Obama se tivesse o voto nas unhas
E Porque ?
Engraço com a Hilary mas o que ja li about era tem vários cordões umbilicais ligadas ao PODER " do poder "

Obama é o unico com ideias novas mais independência e novo discurso
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MensagemAssunto: OBAMA ASSASINADO?   Seg Fev 11, 2008 7:54 am

pREMIO nobel DIZ QUE NAO DUVIDA QUE SE FOSSE ELEITO pRESIDENTE , SERIA assassinado!!!

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080209175746.yzhlvcyb&show_article=1
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MensagemAssunto: COITADA DA HILLARY ,esta em PANICO   Ter Fev 12, 2008 12:42 pm

HOJE, OBAMA deve ganhar em 3 ESTADOS!!!! HILLARY esta em PANICO!!!
Ja tenho 6 garrafas de D.PERIGNON a gelar e alguns amigos veem na MANSAO para celebrar-mos. Nao a VITORIA de OBAMA, mas a derrota daquela PESTEde HILLARY!!! o partido democrata VAI QUEBRAR AO MEIO. MCCAIN ganha a PRESIDENCIA!!! Derrota DOS ESTADO-DEPENDENTES, DO SOCIALISMO, DO TERROR!!! Laughing Laughing
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MensagemAssunto: HILLARY REJEITA PUBLICAR   Ter Fev 12, 2008 2:10 pm

A PEDIDO DE OBAMA, a sua DECLARACAO DE IMPOSTOS!!! O que ESCONDE? Todos querem saber de onde vieram os 5 000 000 que ela emprestou , do dinheiro dela a CAMPANHA DELA!!! Mas ela RESISTE!!! Diz que so depois de ser eleita e OBAMA EXIGE!! Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/12/politics/main3820259.shtml?source=mostpop_story
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MensagemAssunto: OBAMA GANHA VIRGINIA   Ter Fev 12, 2008 5:50 pm

HILLARY esta TRAMADA!!! Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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MensagemAssunto: QUE PATETICO................   Ter Fev 12, 2008 5:53 pm

No seu DESESPERO, HILLARY promete hoje que na CASA BRANCA DELA, nao havera ESCANDALOS COM BILL!!! Que pouca vergonha na cara!!!
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